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(1958). The psychology of imagination. Scientific American, 199(3).pdf|Barron, F. 1958]] +"Somehow desirable and proper mystery..." - There should be no such thing, things like this should be studied, at least that is the tone that I get from that. +Studied Imagination and originality (the institute -> The Psychological Research Institute) and concerned with results of who is highly original and imaginative. + +They don't know much more he says +Highly original artists and scientists have some common properties - seemingly - has to be studied further + +Painters, Writers, Physicians, Physicists, Biologists, Economists, Anthropologists studied + +**Other Investigation** +Investigation of conformity pressures on architectures, and how creative people react to conformity being put on them + +Most people disliked being confronted with disorder. The people who turn out original work however seem prefer a certain kind of disorder though. + +-> How creative these people were initially said to be was judged by their colleagues and experts in the field +So this was related to the tests and they wanted to see how creative people respond to order and disorder and if their response would be different from others. + +Isn't... isn't this kinda begging the question? + +the 80 painters preferred asymmetrical, complex or "vital and dynamic" pictures. +Tolerance for the "chaotic" +> An aversion for the figures which were simple and obviously symmetrical. + +The scientists deemed more "creative" by the faculty and assuming their peers as well as earlier -> were more similar to the artists, their preferences. + +> What they seemed to like was ... [something] ... which attempted a radical reconstruction of the common-sense world of reality. + +Being more creative = being drawn to complexity and asymmetry? + +The creative people want to create the highest form of order - they want to find an order for everything to fit in, they will explain everything is the thesis. +> It also illustrates the creative response to disorder, which is to find an elegant new order more satisfying than any that could be evoked by a simpler configuration. + +So the creative people like to challenge their ordered understanding and come up with a better one for with more wild and complex (counter)-examples? That sounds a bit like... kinda the scientific process to me, or at least the principle behind the creation of new scientific theories. + +Originality of thought associated with independence of judgement. That makes sense, imo. + +Asch experiment. People in a room with lines, sometimes false answer. Essentially gaslighting the other. Pretty dependent on confidence I would say but what do I know. +*Idk man you could look up the reasoning for this in the original experiment.* +Ok yes, he admits, this is about yielding and independent. + +42 / 42 split group. + +Opinions by: +**Independent** +- Like to fool around with new ideas even if they are a waste of time +- The best theory does not have to have the best practical applications (being implied the ones that we can see) +- their friends think that their ideas are impractical and a bit wild +- "The unfinished and the imperfect often have a greater appeal for me than the completed and the polished." +- They would have close friend that, while poor mannered and ugly, is brilliant or kind. +- They think that people should go deeply into their feelings and those of other people, not just sit and take things. +- While young people get rebellious, they should not drop and leave them as soon as they grow up - and not necessarily settle down. +- "Perfect balance is not the essence of all good composition." + +So thinks -> indepedent suggested to be more open to innovation and challenge coming from imbalance and imperfection (that is noticed) +They also rated themselves higher in terms of "originality" but apparently this isn't due to arrogance. +results "suggested the possibility" (brother), independence of judgement may be associated with originality. + +so they studied it further and they seemed to find something along those lines apparently. Like the connection seems to be there. +They also seem to prefer the asymmetry and imbalance and complexity. he also says this makes sense. +> Only a person who can live with complexity and contradiction and who has some confidence that order lies behind what appears to be confusion, would be able to bear this kind of discord. There is a strong temptation to solve the confusion and to end the pain of contradiction win a simple way, by denying the facts that conflict with the consensus. Order is this achieved by a process of exclusion of evidence, and, in this instance, at the cost of correct judgement. + +Psychological Health + +Indicators of Psychological Health (mentioned often): +- Accuracy of perception of reality +- stable body functioning and freedom from psychosomatic disorders +- absence of hostility and anxiety +- capacity for friendly and cooperative relations with other people +- spontaneity and warmth +- social responsibility (interesting that this one is in here but okay) + +Oh boy, here comes the idea of the tortured artist when thinking about creative people and how creativity also links to a healthy psychological mind +Did these creative people need psychotherapy, with some famous examples such at Beethoven, and van Gogh or Baudelaire. +Though there was also plenty of artists and scientists that weren't tortured but okay. + +These artists did not _manage themselves_ very well +things that he brings up that might have been included, things that were also goodnesses, things of character: +- The strong ego +- the self-esteemed self +- voice of reason +- heat; passion +- willfulness +- self assertion +- hatred of the established order +The stamp of a creator, wow okay so you really think this is the tortured artist? + +> then the creative genius is frequently not healthy + +But we should not forget about the idea that being able to create means being healthy in the mind. Though there are some people that were absolutely losing it and made great things, like Terry A. Davis. + +the faculty of concious attention is the most advanced adaption we have +this includes: +- discrimination +- memory +- reflection +- judgement in the service of prediction +He says we call this the ego. + +The ego, to us, is order, the unconcious is disorder. +The creative person has a preference for disorder; therefore is more likely to turn to his unconcious self, and has more respect for these irrational thoughts and feelings inside him. More impulsive you could say. + +> This respect consists in a faith that the irrational itself will generate some ordering principle if it is permitted expression and admitted to concious scrutiny. + +> courts it at the most promising source of novely in his own thought + +He rejects the demand of a society; that he must be civilised .creative individuals want to own themselves toally and because they perceive a shortsightedness in the claim of society that all its members should adapt themselves to a norm for a given time and place + +when you think in taboo ways and people think you are unwell, but this unbalance is probably more healthy than unhealthy. + +Disorder offers the potentiality of order. + +> Creative people are especially observant, and they value accurate observation (telling themselves the truth) more than other people do. +> They often express part-truths, but this they do vividly; the part they express is generally unrecognised; by displacement of accent and apparent disproportion in statement they seek to point to the usually unobserved. +> They see things as others do, but also as others do not. +> They are thus independent in their cognition, and they also value clearer cognition. They will suffer great personal pain to testify correctly. + +reason of self preservation and interest in human culture and its future. + +what creative people just have: +more brain capacity and richer synthesis +More vigorous with lots of energy +seek tension and lead more complex lives +more contact with the unconscious +the self is the strongest when you can tap into that unconscious and analyse it later on - return to an impulsive, fantastical, naive state of ideas and then come back to critize and reflect - in way this lines up with "Postponing Judgement" +the creative person is more primtive and more cultured, more destructive and constructive, crazier and saner -> his range is higher, his limits are further out there. + +the strong self realises that it can afford to allow regression because it is secure in the knowledge that it can correct itself. + +a writer's critique of psychological research: it is an expression of the effort of organised society to encroach upon the individual and rob him of his freedom +these people have to calm the fuck down but sure - but I guess it's only been 10 years since 1984 came out. + +It seeks to describe and understand what is intrinsically a mystery? Idk what makes it intrisicially a mystery or why that is a critique of it by one of the writers, seeing as that is just what sciences do and sure we can go back to the neolithic age if that is what you want + +also wtf is this about: +[[Barron, F. (1958). The psychology of imagination. Scientific American, 199(3).pdf#page=14&selection=1390,0,1487,2&color=red|Barron, F. (1958). The psychology of imagination. Scientific American, 199(3), p.14]] # [[edited -- Rose -- 1988 -- Calculable minds and manageable individuals -- History of the Human Sciences.pdf|Rose, N. 1988]] +Alright Rose, your turn. +Alright Rose, who the fuck writes like this. +Who the fuck writes "National Political Territories" instead of "nations", which is at least what I think what you mean +Or did you mean STATES?! But you meant Europe and North America, so you aren't just referencing the US. Alright, not all EU countries have states. I guess they have something comparable - but you are also talking about the state - idk man + # [[Hyman -- Creativity -- International Science and Technology.pdf|Hyman, R. 1963]] +Talks about his meeting with his manager friend, and that instead of "creativity" for new patents all it took is moving his engineers toward a practical application and telling them about the concern - it wasn't as deep and corporate as he thought it was. + +actually references the studies taking part in California in which Barron is involved (he was in these right? Double check.) + +> Guilford has yet to demonstrate that his creativity tests are related in any demonstrable manner to creative performance in the real world + +Shots fired. +